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Post by FYI on Nov 1, 2011 11:17:35 GMT -4
This post was modified by the administrator Dave Crowder.
The reasons I modified this post are:
1. The information posted is of the nature that if false libels an individual. If true should be addressed in a court of law. This forum is not the place to do so.
2. I am unable to independently confirm or deny the information that was presented in the posting.
3. The poster does not identify themselves or provide contact information so that this information can be verified.
4. The posting stated that the individual violated Florida Region rules and codes of conducts and that the Florida Region adjudicated these violations and is allowed to participate in the Florida Region. If these statements are true then this is a Florida Region problem. As I have posted here before concerning the Florida Region, I have a very low confidence in the Florida Region leadership in making any type of decision.
Sorry that I can not at this time allow this post to be published. I do believe the poster believed they were doing a service to parents and players but I do feel it is inappropriate for the above listed reasons.
Dave Crowder
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Post by FYI on Nov 3, 2011 13:32:52 GMT -4
Actually Dave, why don't you contact the Region to see if this is true? All it takes is one called to Steve Bishop to confirm it. There is no reason for it to be taken care of in the court of law due to the fact that no charges were pressed. The Region took action and now that ban has been fulfilled. The Region feels that there is no need for them to inform future members of this individual's club for reasons unknown. So in essence, this is someone stating facts and you are impeding on this person's freedom of speech. So the only one who could be considered to be doing something wrong here is actually you for deleting the post. It would be just like if a convicted pedophile moved into your neighborhood and a person was going around notifying neighbors with children. That person is doing nothing wrong or illegal. All it takes is one call by you to Steve Bishop.
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Post by huh on Nov 3, 2011 13:40:37 GMT -4
i totally missed what the post was before..anyone care to share without getting too specific...since i guess is pretty touchy subject
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Post by to huh on Nov 3, 2011 14:07:26 GMT -4
huh,
it was about a coach/club director who was banned from coaching for inappropriate wrongdoings, and now has been reinstated within the Region. hopefully this isn't too detailed that dave feels the need to remove it as well. sorry if it is dave. but fyi was posting trying to warn parents and players.
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Post by David Crowder on Nov 3, 2011 20:25:41 GMT -4
To the mysterious guest, I am not violating anyone's constitutional rights by editing what is written on this message board. I have always reserved the right to edit, modify or delete any subject matter from this bulletin board associated with my web site. Which I support with my own dollars and sweat equity. It is my web site so I am constitutionally entitled to do as I please.
The accusation that was made was of a club director coach having improper relations with player(s) in his club / team. The unnamed guest did not identify themselves or provide a means to contact them. Since I felt the subject matter was extremely volatile I removed the post and stated why. Another web site VOLLEYTALK also removed the same post that was posted here.
What was not done by the unnamed guest was post the same message on the FLORIDA REGION bulletin board. The unnamed guest should have Steve Bishop publish this information on the Region web site and not use other web sites to air the Florida Region's dirty laundry.
This being said, I do believe the unnamed guest motives were meant to sway parents and players away from someone of questionable morals. This I can and do respect. But if you wish to involve me and my web site in this situation I would need more proof and I would need to know who you are.
I do not wish to pass on rumors of this nature if they can not be corroborated.
I will say that if you identify who you in your post then I will not delete the post from the bulletin board.
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Post by David Crowder on Nov 3, 2011 22:00:56 GMT -4
Okay I looked at the Florida Region BoD minutes of November 2007. There is some mention of a coach being suspended for a 2 or 3 year period for dating a player. Neither the coach or the club is listed in the minutes.
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Post by Issue on Nov 4, 2011 8:30:19 GMT -4
Here is my issue. What was the age of the "player" Since most clubs operate with girls under 18 there is a major issue here. I believe the coach and club should be identified, similar to the name and address of sex offenders in the neighborhood. Let the coach address this issue with the parents of potential players to his club. That is his responsibility. However, the name and club should be identified to inform the parents so that they may have this conversation. David, it is your responsibility to let the coach and club to be identified. I read the original posting and I really saw nothing wrong on what the person said.
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Post by Does it matter on Nov 4, 2011 17:22:15 GMT -4
Issue,
Does the age of a player really matter? Even at the college ranks, it is wrong for a player to date or have relations with a coach and they are all of legal age. A person who has influence on a person, especially a teenager who is still in high school, should not do anything like what that coach did. Even if the girl was 18, the coach had influence over her and did the wrong thing. If he wanted to go about things in a morally sound way, he could have pursued something after the conclusion of the season. I actually know of this situation because I was an opposing coach of this club. I spoke with some of the other players and they said at the time, they knew something was going on. The players also said that there were other inappropriate actions that took place on the coach's part in dealing with other players as well.
Dave,
I read the post as well. I understand that this is your website and you reserve the right to do this, but I feel you are doing an injustice. This message board is a way for topics to be discussed in the volleyball community. I am kind of unimpressed with you not taking the extra step to contact the region yourself. I believe the person posted it and did their part. If you are the one with the problem, then you should be the one to go and disprove this person's statement. Maybe I am biased because I know that what this person said is true. I know it is true because this coach in question is actually married to this player and they have had 2 children since the ordeal. What this coach did was extremely wrong and a 2 to 3 year ban is a slap on the wrist in my opinion. The least the region can do is to notify the future players and parents of this club and then let it be up to them. The region will definitely have some serious issues on their hands if something else occurs in the future with this coach. A lawyer would be chomping at the bits to get his/her hands on that case.
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Post by board on Nov 4, 2011 17:30:28 GMT -4
dave, since when can you post on the florida regional board? you must be the only one who knows about that.
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Post by Minutes on Nov 4, 2011 17:37:42 GMT -4
Dave,
I am interested to see where these minutes are? I tried to research FYI's post but couldn't find anything. Could you let me know how you located the minutes on the USAVFL website?
Thanks
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Post by David Crowder on Nov 6, 2011 21:44:10 GMT -4
Hey folks back from reffing a beach tourney this weekend lots of fun. Okay but to this issue. First I am all about protecting kids and families from potential harm. I am also about not smearing folks and preventing them from earning a living or making money. Now with respect to what was posted on this web site. A coach / club director was named and was stated that the named person had an inappropriate relationship with a player. I do not know or can I corroborated any of this information. So I don't let the information be posted. Now I have reviewed the Florida Region minutes from several years ago and there was a coach / club director who was sanctioned by the Region for an inappropriate relationship. The Region does not identify this person by name only by membership number. So unless the Region i.e. Commissioner Jim Phillips or Exec Director Steve Bishop identify this person then I have no proof as to who this person is. Minutes to the Florida Region Board Meetings are published here. www.floridavolleyball.org/MeetingMinutesFP.htmThe Florida Region message board is floridaregion.proboards.com/index.cgi?If someone wants to make an accusation of this nature they can do so on this Board but they have to identify themselves. Then I may allow it to stay or maybe not. This site is more about the fun side of volleyball. All the things that go on ON THE COURT. The Florida Region sanctioned the individual they should identify the person. I agree with that. I also would like to comment that yes I moderate the message board but the onus is not upon me to prove all the assertions made on the message board. At least one of the folks discussing this topic on the message board has more extensive knowledge of the situation than I do. Yet this person wants me to prove all the assertions. I have asked for proof of this issue and the identity of the person making the accusation. Neither of which has been supplied to me. I do not feel that I need to be the point man on this issue. Each of you who have posted on this message board can contact the Florida Region Office to voice your concerns. On a side note, my relationship with the Florida Region leadership is extremely poor. It is doubtful they would view my interaction on this matter as constructive. If the Florida Region will identify the person they sanctioned a few years back and it matches what was posted it here then I will allow "DISCUSSION" to occur on this message board. But to do so otherwise I believe is wrong. Innuendo and rumor of this nature should not go on especially when everyone discussing the innuendo and rumors remain anonymous.
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Post by PENNSTATE on Nov 14, 2011 16:22:02 GMT -4
In light of the current allegations against Penn State University defensive coordinator jerry sandusky, i this this is an issue that will absolutely come to light. The fact that people swept this under the rug 5/6 years ago will come out. Enough people know about the incident in question that when they find out he is coaching, will cause an issue. His club website is ...MODIFIED By Dave Crowder ....LINK REDACTED.... look him up. From someone with knowledge of the situation, from first hand accounts of girls on the team and people involved in the program. These allegations are true. This man is a creep and should not be allowed to coach, lead, or guide our youth. The way we treat the children now, will affect their behavior later on. These are the future leaders of our great country and weve got to protect them.
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Post by David Crowder on Nov 15, 2011 16:58:38 GMT -4
There seems to be a determined group of folks who want this issued to be "DISCUSSED".
My objections to this discussion are:
The person(s) being accused is unable to meet his accusers. This is because his accusers continue to post anonymously.
The person(s) stating the accusations to not exactly describe the "CRIME" committed. Leaving the readers to use their imagination as to the crime.
The accusation is that the USAV Florida Region dealt with this issue several years ago and the "GUILTY" were punished. What is not known is the CRIME or the GUILTY person. This information can not be found at FLORIDAVOLLEYBALL.org .
So, until the information can be PROV-EN and the ACCUSERS identify themselves I am reluctant to allow UNLIMITED posting on this subject.
I can neither prove or disprove any of the statements made here.
Personally, I wish the ACCUSER(S) would take this up with the Florida Region because he is a sanction coach in that organization. Meaning he has paid his money, passed a background check, and been approved to coach volleyball in that organization.
I do not have the power to do anything other than to continually edit this site over and over trying to make sure no one is libeled. Sorry I am not a lawyer and my knowledge of the law is from a layman's perspective.
Dave
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Post by cflballer on Nov 16, 2011 8:49:33 GMT -4
Dave,
You are doing the right thing here. Based on what has happened in the past on this board and how abusive some can be unless as you say this becomes public by the Fl region or law enforcement it needs to stay confidential.
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