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Post by sunsetvb on Sept 17, 2008 20:27:34 GMT -4
any south talk?? thoughts on team? fall league at flo. christian?
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Post by coachSBHS on Sept 17, 2008 21:43:04 GMT -4
sounds great if you could do that, for sure you could count on my team participating!!!
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Post by Jesus on Sept 24, 2008 19:40:43 GMT -4
South Florida can suck a fat one, because they are no where near close to the competition it used to be.
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Post by stevennorton on Sept 25, 2008 4:05:50 GMT -4
although you are not jesus ill agree with you on that one... 05' was our last year of having the nastiest overall competition, soutwest, killian, palmetto, sunset. then you had gibbons, archbishop, river up in broward... there were about 10 teams down here that could handle almost anyone... now its down to about 3... but the north used to be alot better... no one as good as the teams from 04 and 05 up there... BM and TC were rediculous back then... any team from now couldnt touch those teams...
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Post by issue on Sept 25, 2008 8:27:58 GMT -4
Doesn't anyone remember who won states? there are 3 really good teams in the south. Broward has River, Douglas & Gibbons. The north has their teams also, but do not count us out.
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Post by Jesus on Sept 25, 2008 10:09:52 GMT -4
It is true though, the competition is nothing compared to what it used to be.
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Post by add 1 on Sept 25, 2008 15:58:18 GMT -4
you guys sayin 05 was last good year. i think 06 was amazing. for example. lake howell and river went to 5 in state championship. and to show how good central florida was that year. boone and tc played 1st round in districts and boone upset TC in 5 games. then boone went to finals to play lake howell and lake howell beat them in 5 games.
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Post by panther4life on Sept 25, 2008 22:43:19 GMT -4
in overall strength and competition, 04 and 05 were the best years for the south. in 06, the north had its strongest year, depth wise and how many strong players it put out. 07 nobody really had much of a chance to take out spanish river and there were only a few other competative teams, but not like years past. 08 was a differant kind of year. granted, there werent as many allstars as in the past, but team wise, it was a deep year and alot of competition. and it was dissapointing to see two of the top teams (maybe not THE top two, but arguably) not at full strength at the end of the year, being gibbons and bishop moore.
basically my thoughts are that too many people talk negatively about how strong (or weak) the level of play is these days. everyone who has graduated in the past few years has such big egos, you think you are the nuts and just cause these guys are younger than you you have to look down on them. give them some credit and stop putting them down. i feel that the level of play and volleyball in general is getting better, although the "athlete" is not. but what matters is that coaches are doing their thing and it is more about the team now than the individual. i feel that the team game is progressing, which is what it is all about. not throw the ball up there for tyler and steve to go hit over the block. i love you steve but you talk too much nuts, and im not just calling you out. "jesus", what team did you play on and why are you speaking with such anger?
i just want to put in your heads that with club programs putting out more and more teams per year, more kids getting scolarships than in the past, it is a good sign and i believe soon we will be getting mens programs around the state. and when that happens, watch out!
btw, palmetto is rocking the florida christian league. watch out, the south doesnt only have river douglas and gibbons, palmetto is looking really good and sw will still be a very strong team this coming year.
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Post by stevennorton on Sept 26, 2008 1:44:18 GMT -4
THATS WHAT I DO!!! im just saying that back then even the horrible teams down here had a stud, ridge had 2 really good players and they were a bad team based on the competition... thats how i base my opinions... im just happy that there are clubs out there now for anyone to try out for... it wasnt like that back then... hopefully things will pick up and it will be a dogfight for a spot in states instead of just 2 or 3 teams fighting to go... upsets would be nice but they really dont happen that much...
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Post by memory on Sept 26, 2008 7:36:25 GMT -4
I JUST REMEMBER WHEN NOT ONLY 4 TEAMS HAD A SHOT AT STATES, BUT IN EVER DISTRICT THERE WAS A SOLID TEAM. AND THAT THE TEAMS THAT WENT TO STATES WERE GOOD COMPETITION. WHEN GIBBONS WON STATES BISHOP MOORE, TC, CHAMINADE, WEST. CHRISTIAN, AND THE OTHER TEAMS WERE VERY GOOD.
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Post by panther4life on Sept 26, 2008 11:51:58 GMT -4
that year, 2005 when gibbons won states, there were 5 good teams that went to states, chaminade (though respectable) just got lucky in an upset over westminster. that year also, lake worth and coral springs went to states, niether team was good at all.
this past year, 2008, there were at least 5 teams that would have competed with those 2005 teams. southwest, olympia, gibbons, spanish river, and columbus. the other three teams being jupiter, cooper city, and lake mary, all of which are respectible and having at least one stud player.
when you look and compare 2005 to 2008 you compare mark, brett, tyler, evan, and iandolo so obviously 2005 makes 2008 look stupid in your mind. i look at the number 3,4,5 and 6th option on the 2005 and 2008 teams and i see that in 2008, the players are much stronger and deeper and it is more of a team, not the individual. i think the good teams of 2008 would compete with the teams of 2005. although the athlete and superstar isnt as good, the team is better.
yes you could go on and say that in 2005 southwest, killian, st. thomas, oviedo, dr phillips, and whoever else were good and it was a deep year; cause it was. but i also feel that 2008 was a deep year. teams like bishop moore, lyman, killian, palmetto, douglas, just to name a few, didnt make it to states either.
these are not just observations by me, i love talking to old players, retired coaches that still come out to watch, and even current coaches that have been around forever about such things and alot of this comes from them.
all i am trying to do is back up the players of today and tell them they are doing a good job. i went to states in 2005 and saw timber creek, bishop moore, westminster, pace, and gibbons play. i went to states in 2008 and saw everyone play. it is still exciting to watch and good volleyball. and to tell you the truth, i have never seen an atmosphere like the gibbons spanish river game was this past year in 2008. it was incredible to be shoulder to shoulder with everyone standing almost the entire match screaming their lungs out.
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Post by nick on Sept 26, 2008 13:01:49 GMT -4
Just curious, when you say 3,4,5, and 6th option, are you saying that they are comparable to the 2008 teams?
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Post by no way on Sept 26, 2008 16:30:07 GMT -4
the teams from 2005, like timber creek, gibbons, bishop moore, they all had great teams. the only difference was that their best players still stood out over their other starts. The teams in 2008 i think dont compare. If you look at it though, teams that made states in 2005 also made upsets to get there. 2008, a lot of the teams that made states were expected to go because the general competition was a lot weaker
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Post by not true on Sept 27, 2008 0:46:13 GMT -4
thats not true that there were no upsets. if you think about it. in central florida, in 3 of the 4 districts, the 2 seed won the district and not the 1 seed
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Post by stevennorton on Sept 27, 2008 3:37:37 GMT -4
ill agree with that... back then teams were carried by 2 or three players and thats not really working much anymore... overall the teams are getting better... but as for people who just killed it im going to give it to the oldies!
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