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Post by ok on Feb 9, 2012 21:24:08 GMT -4
Chirstian M. completely relocated to orlando from melbourne and they went from private school to private school. his sister plays for an AsicsGirl's R USteam and they are at111 everyday. it didnt make sense for them to make that drive everyday so they moved closer. i understand how it does look like recruiting, but the coaching staff had nothing to do with the relocation There's nothing wrong with them moving to be closer for club, i can understand that, but for high school he should be required to sit out a year like it says in the FHSAA rule book, why does he get to start playing immediately?
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Post by xactly on Feb 9, 2012 23:16:40 GMT -4
Chirstian M. completely relocated to orlando from melbourne and they went from private school to private school. his sister plays for an AsicsGirl's R USteam and they are at111 everyday. it didnt make sense for them to make that drive everyday so they moved closer. i understand how it does look like recruiting, but the coaching staff had nothing to do with the relocation There's nothing wrong with them moving to be closer for club, i can understand that, but for high school he should be required to sit out a year like it says in the FHSAA rule book, why does he get to start playing immediately? Exactly. The rule is if you play club and the club is connected to the transferring high school, you sit out a year to prove its not just for the sport.
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Post by cuz on Feb 10, 2012 13:18:37 GMT -4
If his family relocated to a totally different city, which Melbourne is from Orlando, a family has a right to choose where they live for a public school or send him to any private school that they want...that is freedom of educational placement when comes to private schools. If athletes move from private school to private school within a relatively small distance, then that is different because that family probably didn't move because of job or change of home. You also have to remember that anyone can make an appeal to allow them to play, as long as that appeal is within the guideline...usually having to do with a hardship waiver (abuse at school, specific academic programs not offered in certain schools, money issues cuz of loss of job, etc.). There are many loopholes to try and get around...they do their homework to find out how to find them
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Post by educational on Feb 10, 2012 16:06:31 GMT -4
Exactly educational not athletic. If education was important taking the year off wouldn't matter. Quite obvious to see why he picked the school he did and it wasnt based on the education.
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Post by NoJornetVolleyball on Feb 11, 2012 0:44:02 GMT -4
It is clear; some private schools in South Florida and in Orlando are recruiting. Not just in volleyball but in every sport. It is obvious both Christians enrolled in BM to play volleyball. They had played gold for at least one year before transferring to BM. If FHSAA applied it’s establish policy and regulation, they both will not be able to play, period. But like everywhere else, there is money and politics involved. FHSAA made a big deal for Oviedo and Deland, but look the other way for BM and other private schools. FHSAA loss face and respect a long time ago.
Some public schools do a great job developing their programs and producing great players, but are hunted if they recruit someone. Volleyball is a very small community of coaches and players; everyone knows each other, a transfer like that is obvious. For BM to claim that volleyball was not involved in those transfers is disrespectful to everyone who is involved in the game. Instead of doing the right thing, and sitting him out for a year, they want to be above the established policies and regulations, not creating a fair playing field for everyone. Just this year, one of the top female players in Central Florida sat the season out. She transferred from a private school to a public school. Same scenario, she had played club for the high school coach that she transfer to. The public school did the right thing. If a player is not satisfied with his or her development in his or her present high school program, YES seek something better. A better program, better coaching but follow the regulations and policies. BM’s athletic director and volleyball coaching staff needs to reevaluate their current and past actions. Right now, they are creating more enemies than friends and damaging the game we all love. They want to win so bad, they do not understand they are harming themselves.
What public schools need to do is STOP scheduling and not play them. Do not attend their tournaments until they play by the same rules as everyone else.
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Post by David Crowder on Feb 11, 2012 4:26:38 GMT -4
Dave Moment.
I have very limited knowledge of the personal situations of the two Christians of Bishop Moore being bantered about here, with the only "LIMITED" knowledge being mostly following thier performance on the volleyball courts. This being said...
The FIRST Christian at Bishop Moore has played his entire HS career at BMCHS. I also believe but do not know that he attended Catholic Middle School prior to attending BMCHS. So I do believe it is a very LONG STRETCH to imply that any RECRUITING occurred here. There is only one Catholic HS in Orlando and I have no idea what public school he would be districted for. As I do remember the First Christian "CAME on the SCENE" at the Cardinal Gibbons Jungle Queen tourney his FRESHMAN year. So I do not think recruiting is an issue with this player.
The second Christian I have no knowledge of his personal circumstances only aware of his playing ability having reffed him in a couple of Club tourneys. So I have no comment on this matter.
This being said guys. Lets keep the discussion to play on the court. Players can LEGALLY change schools for whatever reason. If all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed that is the way it is.
The best team and the best player is still determined on the court and the games still must be played. This seems to be a very similar thread to th AMCHS discussion last year. Not saying what they did was right or wrong, but whatever they did do or didn't do they still did not beat Seminole Ridge. So as you can see the game still must be PLAYED!!!! Everyone is equal today only unequal AFTER the game has been played.
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Post by David Crowder on Feb 11, 2012 4:34:46 GMT -4
I would also like to comment that several years ago when boy's volleyball was still played as a Fall sport in Orlando, two kids from the Gainesville area transferred to Lake Mary for their senior year. They did so for one purpose and one purpose only to play HS volleyball. At the completion of the season they moved back to their previous HS in Gainesville.
Also you might remember in HS football a few years ago, Tim Tebow's old HS football team Neese received a record fine from the FHSAA over football recruiting. So as you can see "RECRUTING" is not necessarily a PRIVATE school issue. Folks are always gonna go where they can get the BEST deal.
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Post by quote on Feb 13, 2012 12:06:28 GMT -4
Christian Franceschi attended Lake Highland, probably the best private school in CF. Transferred to BM in 9th grade. Lake Highland does not have boys volleyball, Christian has been playing gold since he was 12 years old. His older sisters played volleyball and completed high school at Lake Highland. The only reason is transfer to BM is to play volleyball. Lake Highland did not have a boy’s volleyball team and he was not going to enroll at his zone public high school, Oviedo. Basically is the same scenario with the other Christian. He lived in Brevard County, no boy’s volleyball in high school. His sister had been playingGirl's R USand Christian gold for at least two club seasons. They enrolled in BM so Christian could play high school volleyball. If we give him the benefit of the doubt and that was not the reason why they transferred to BM. Let say they transfer to get a “better education” or “to be on a volleyball program”; which ever the circumstances of these transfers were at the time, maybe good reasons to transfer but still did not make them eligible to play. If FHSAA would have applied their policies/ regulation, all of them had to sit out a year. Their high school coaching staffs at BM are their coaches/director at clubGirl's R USand Gold. The sad part is that the BM athletic director and volleyball coaching staff are fully aware of the transfer circumstances and FHSAA regulation/policies and they still do not do the right thing thinking they are above the law.
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Post by David Crowder on Feb 13, 2012 13:23:54 GMT -4
Okay seems like we know have the authoritative TRUTH on the CHRISTIAN & CHRISTIAN matter. Seems funny to me that someone would be upset about someone transferring from one private school to another. It seems the argument has always been going from a public school to a private school.
But let me digress on the best private school in Central Florida statement ... I thought the best private school was Trinity Prep which of course does not have boys volleyball.
Okay folks time to move on on this issue. It seems two individuals who excel at volleyball made decisions to move to a school with a volleyball tradition. They both came from schools that did not have volleyball programs. This is a no brainer. No harm no foul.
Time to start talking about what is happening on the courts with balls and jerseys.
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Post by shack on Feb 13, 2012 15:26:48 GMT -4
“No harm no foul”. Yes harm, BM becomes a better team; Christian 2 is an impact player that will make a different in any competitive team. Their chances of winning state increases dramatically. That is “what going to be happening on the courts with balls and jerseys”, affecting other school that follow the rules. Yes “foul”, BM coaching staff/administration is not following FHSAA rules.
It is not on the players, they just want to play in a good team. It is on BM’s administration and FHSAA for not following or enforcing the rules and regulations. So what is the use of having them, let’s just have any player transfer to which ever school they want to play for regardless of the reason, so they can be in a contender team. Let’s just have the entire Gold’s 18s team transfer to BM.
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Post by cflballer on Feb 13, 2012 18:24:44 GMT -4
so what the heck difference does it make now? IF they should have sat a year it should have been there freshman year. This is NO different than if an athlete who excelled at a club sport growing up found out the high school they were to attend didn't have that sport then by law they can transfer to a high school that does...
Same rule applies.
Now my comment to the BM recruiting issue. They are VERY careful when talking to players from other schools not to directly say "why don't you come play for me"... they say things like "boy if you had only come here" or "imagine what it would be like if we took this club team and played high school together... the only piece missing is you"... Now is that recruiting? And yes I have first hand knowledge.
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Post by David Crowder on Feb 13, 2012 19:27:02 GMT -4
guess it is time for another Dave moment.
Okay lets get this straight and see what the real issue is here.
Bishop Moore ths year has two stud OH on their team. One has played with them all four years and is a product of a private school education. He went to Bishop Moore his freshman year becasue the private school he was attending did not offer the sport. The public school district he lives in does offer the sport but he chose Bishop Moore. Okay so far he hasn't done anything wrong. Actually his parents haven't done anything wrong because bottom line they make the decisions for him. Okay first stud OH has done nothing wrong other than play at a high level going into his senior year. Sorry guys I see no foul here.
Stud OH #2 transfers from an out of town school to BMCHS to play volleyball. His previous out of town school does not offer the sport. I do not see where he / his parents have done anything wrong.
Okay he did not choose any school he chose BMCHS which can make a run for the state title with him.
Sorry guys, I don't see where anyone has done anything wrong.
Now BMCHS recruiting players. Well all private schools are accused to this. Private schools can offer scholarships to students for any reason they wish. Private means they make their own rules with regard to tuition and some folks pay mor than others. This is a fact of life and always will be.
Sorry guys, I just don't see where any wrong doing has been done here by the players or the school. Apparently FHSAA & BMCHS also felt the same way.
Again guys, just because you have a stud team you still have to play the state championship match and win it.
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Post by rules on Feb 14, 2012 9:19:37 GMT -4
There is a rule that says players can not transfer to a school to follow a club coach. did this happen at BM? yes! dont think there is any question on why this player went to school at BM. Now the question becomes did he do it legally? If he applied for a waiver and got it from FHSAA then he is legally playing at the school. Think in this case the players family actually moved to be closer to the school. Did the coach actually ask this player to do this? no one knows but the player and the coach. Would this have worked at a public school? dont think so. there are rules that make it an uneven playing field for private and public schools. my suggestion is dont play schools that dont have the integrity to step up and sit the kid out for a year. He is going to BM to play volleyball. he is playing for his club coach. everyone knows this except FHSAA.
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Post by Its on Feb 14, 2012 10:00:15 GMT -4
Its not a choice for the schools that will play bm in states or regionals in districts I don't think he should be able to play in fairness to the other teams.
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Post by Yes Wrong on Feb 14, 2012 12:00:07 GMT -4
guess it is time for another Dave moment. Okay lets get this straight and see what the real issue is here. Bishop Moore ths year has two stud OH on their team. One has played with them all four years and is a product of a private school education. He went to Bishop Moore his freshman year becasue the private school he was attending did not offer the sport. The public school district he lives in does offer the sport but he chose Bishop Moore. Okay so far he hasn't done anything wrong. Actually his parents haven't done anything wrong because bottom line they make the decisions for him. Okay first stud OH has done nothing wrong other than play at a high level going into his senior year. Sorry guys I see no foul here. Stud OH #2 transfers from an out of town school to BMCHS to play volleyball. His previous out of town school does not offer the sport. I do not see where he / his parents have done anything wrong. Okay he did not choose any school he chose BMCHS which can make a run for the state title with him. Sorry guys, I don't see where anyone has done anything wrong. Now BMCHS recruiting players. Well all private schools are accused to this. Private schools can offer scholarships to students for any reason they wish. Private means they make their own rules with regard to tuition and some folks pay mor than others. This is a fact of life and always will be. Sorry guys, I just don't see where any wrong doing has been done here by the players or the school. Apparently FHSAA & BMCHS also felt the same way. Again guys, just because you have a stud team you still have to play the state championship match and win it. The wrong doing is not transferring to a school to play. The wrong doing is transferring to the school that your club coach coaches at. Regardless if you are coming from a school that does not have a volleyball team, “seeking a better education” or whichever reason they want to make up. FHSAA establish players need to sit out a year, “following the coach rule”. That is what BM has been getting away with for years because their unique situation, the only private school in CF with a boys program. Their coaching staff is aware of it, their AD is aware of it, but they look the other way. 100% of BM boys coaching staff coaches at gold. As per FHSAA regulations, any player that transfers to BM playing gold cannot play for a year. It is very simple, follow the rules. They are there for a reason. I cannot understand how some of you still think there is nothing wrong with it. Regulations and rules are broken and we are not doing anything about, as a matter of fact, some people on the forum support their actions. It does not make any sense. BM and FHSAA needs to make it right.
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