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Post by cflballer on Feb 14, 2012 15:06:00 GMT -4
if you really feel that strongly about it then file a complaint with the FHSAA and see if anything becomes of it.
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Post by well on Feb 14, 2012 15:39:39 GMT -4
Tom is not christians club coach. Last year his coach was ashley who as far as i know is not affiliated with a high school. before he transferred the only connection was that tom was at the same club. If you knew Christian M. you would know that there was no recruiting involved. its just a kid that loves the sport and doesnt want to have to travel 2 hours each way for practice. his parents refuse to have him in public school and the closest private school with volleyball is BM. If there were more then 2 major clubs in florida then we wouldnt have these problems,but since most of the kids at OG are 30 minutes away, if we turned in every kid with a connection to the club there would be no team. all the coaches are from 30 minute radiuses also, so almost every kid at gold has a hs coach at Gold. As of now, because of a man who will not be named there is 5 incoming freshmen to BM who have to make an appeal because of a letter saying that they were recruited from gold. its getting ridiculous. all the kids from lyman, play for russ at longwood before they go to lyman. the volleyball community is too small here to pay attention to all the connections
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Post by David Crowder on Feb 14, 2012 17:01:58 GMT -4
Okay, this matter is starting to clear up in my mine, I think. This is an anti BMCHS rant rather than a rant on individual players. This is a discussion on the LETTER of the RULE as opposed to the spirit of the rule.
FYI moment gang. Orlando Christian Prep fields a boy's volleyball team and they are a private school. Pine Castle Christian used to field a team as did Lake Mary Prep. But at the moment the only two PRIVATE schools in the Orlando area with volleyball are Orlando Christian Prep and Bishop Moore. One a Baptist school the other a Catholic school.
Now it seems that some folks want the letter of the law to be enforced. Kid playing at a school switches schools to play volleyball. New school volleyball coach is the kids club coach. Okay by rule he has to sit out a year. Now what are the mitigating circumstances?
Kid's old school does not field a boy's volleyball team. Kid's old school is 70+ miles away. Well, he is not hurting his old school by leaving volleyball wise. They had no team. Traditionally when some one moves a significant distance such as a new city they are allowed to pick and choose where they live. And many families make decisions on where they live by the school district they will live in.
I really do not see the intent of the rule being broken here. I am sure this is what FHSAA and BMCHS decided as well. Most private schools do offer sports programs as an incentive for stufents to come to thier schools. Many kids would not make the varsity team at a large public school do make it at smaller schools.
Sorry guys, I can see no wrong doing here on this RECRUITING issue. Also it can not be proven that the kid was recruited.
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Post by wow on Feb 14, 2012 20:32:16 GMT -4
First of all, is this second Christian kid even that good? People are calling him a stud when I doubt he is at the same level as Franceschi. I dont see him making that big of an impact on that team...
Secondly, Can you say loophole? This seems pretty obvious to me that he should sit out a year but all you can do is play your own game and quit worrying about another team!
Good luck to all teams in 2012.
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Post by Ok on Feb 14, 2012 21:01:42 GMT -4
I've been thinking about this for a while now since it's the topic of discussion for boy's volleyball in all of Florida for a while now. And having read everything from people trashing Christian 2 for what he did to saying no harm no foul, and I have started to think of it from my perspective.
All of us on here have a passion for the sport of volleyball, many of us dedicate all of our lives to playing it. If you didn't have an opportunity to play high school volleyball wouldn't you do anything possible to play, and if you played club under a director of a very good volleyball program wouldn't you transfer there because your familiar with the players and the coach? My answer is yes, and I think most of yours would be too.
The only, and very large problem I have with this, is he is not following rules set by the FHSAA saying that he must sit out a year before he is eligible to play. This is extremely frustrating to me and I think every other player in the state because this has a large impact on what could happen this year, because BM has the two best outside group and probably the best setter to, and at this level it could easily propel them all the way to the top. So why is he the exception to the rule?
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Post by David Crowder on Feb 15, 2012 18:07:18 GMT -4
I am in agreement with th above post. There seems to be an over abundance of discussion on "RULE BREAKING".
I would agree that the rules should exist so that people CAN PLAY. If he was a Puerto Rican kid coming from Puerto Rico and moved to Orlando and he had the money to choose whaterver school he wanted, would anyone be upset that he chose BMCHS?
This is a common occurence in Florida, with many Puerto Rican kids moving to Florida who have extensive volleyball experience. Does it really matter that one kid moved 70 miles to Orlando or one that moved several hundred miles to Orlando.
I still say it doesn not matter how you categorize this SITUATION, the game must be played on the court. Seminole Ridge vs Arch Bishop McCarthy is the classic response. Many folks did not like what McCarthy did by taking on some tranfer students, but in the end the transfers did not help win a state title.
All it proves is that the game still must be played on the court. Hopefully we can start having those discussions soon.
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Post by try on Feb 16, 2012 12:53:00 GMT -4
It’s funny that a Puerto Rican kid’s example is brought up. When TC won state, three kids from PR moved to the same house. No relation to each other. One of them moved first, he called a friend from back in PR, he moved, and then they called another friend. The first year attending TC, all of them living in the same house. After winning states, an investigation took place. The second kid’s parent had to move to the Avalon area to making him eligible to play. BM was the first one crying out foul play. Besides, if kids from PR moved to Orlando, most likely they have not played club for a local club, there for not been coach by any local club coach before the high school season, which makes them good to play under FHSAA. The issue is, he played club for the BM coaching staff before transfering to BM.
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Post by trick on Feb 16, 2012 13:02:06 GMT -4
“Kid's old school does not field a boy's volleyball team. Kid's old school is 70+ miles away. Well, he is not hurting his old school by leaving volleyball wise. They had no team.”
Completely agree, not hurting his old school, but he is hurting the rest of the schools that have a volleyball team. Taking away the opportunity of being a state contenders. Now the opportunities of those schools that have to play BM in the state tournament are minimize.
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Post by why on Feb 16, 2012 15:04:50 GMT -4
Why is everyone so surprised? Nothing has been done in the past about HS breaking rules so why should we expect any different. From the days of TC to last year with AMHS. Last year was so obvious. A student transferred from a very goods school in Weston to AMHS his senior year to play volleyball. I guarantee there was certain tuition waved or maybe some bogus "work study" used to assist with expenses. Remember colleges really look at you junior year grades for colleges and since his old school is probably ranked higher than AMHS there really was no educational reason for the transfer. PLUS it is my understanding that he played years on club with the setter and one of the outsides from AMHS. Come-on. If nothing was done about this than I do not see anything being done in the future. I do not agree with Dave. Sorry. You state they still lost States so all is good. What about the teams they did beat to get there. Spanish River. This eliminated them. It is that fair?
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Post by effects everybody on Feb 16, 2012 20:19:56 GMT -4
This is really the only thing that really puts me over the edge about this issue. The volleyball community is small enough that there is no way that we wouldn't realize what was going on here, he clearly transfered to BM to play volleyball, and played in relation to a club coach who is the BM head coach, AND he didn't sit out the year the FHSAA says in it's rules that he should have to. The thing is is this effects EVERYBODY, people have made the point that AMHS lost last year in the finals even with their transfers, but what if that doesn't happen this year. What if BM runs with it and they end up winning states, a large part I would say would be due to Christian transfering there, so all of the students who have attended public or private schools for all 4 years, and are working on building a program the right way, are all being hurt by this. An opportunity could be taken away from them because he didn't follow the rules.
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Post by enough on Feb 16, 2012 22:26:17 GMT -4
Wether we like it or not he's playing and that's that. What does anyone think about the Dr. Phillips invite?
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Post by ads on Feb 17, 2012 10:11:09 GMT -4
only thing that will get some action on this is if AD's start questioning the FHSAA. we can talk about it all day but untill someone steps up and starts asking questions nothing will happen. think coaches have not wanted to be the one to turn another coach in but if there is no cheating (recruiting) going on the coach being investigated has nothing to worry about. in fact, they should welcome it. if bm were to win states, dont you think this is going t come back up. if i were the coach, i wouldnt want my kids to be penalized if i new later that an investigation could make a state title turn into a forfit. this would not be fair to the kids in the program that were there legally.
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Post by yomama on Feb 17, 2012 11:20:24 GMT -4
quit whining. franceschi is gonna lead the team whether or not they have this other christian. malias is not even close to his level of gameplay
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Post by Last year on Feb 17, 2012 21:50:32 GMT -4
Oviedo did this last year, their puerto rican outside moved to oviedo to play volleyball, and went right back to puerto rico after the school year was over
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Post by it does on Feb 18, 2012 0:01:21 GMT -4
quit whining. franceschi is gonna lead the team whether or not they have this other christian. malias is not even close to his level of gameplay It is true that malias isn't close to his level of gameplay, but Christian F. is the best player in the state, nobody is at his level, they can't literally set Christian F. every single time, now they have another legitimate offensive threat, which will help them a ton it makes a huge difference.
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