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Post by Pancakes n' butter on Apr 9, 2011 22:39:06 GMT -4
So last week during a match between Westminster Christian and Coral Reef, apparently Westminster's outside went up for a hit and turned his swing in an attempt to Tool the blockers and hit the referee standing on the post. It hit her in the face and she apparently got hurt. She got down, was real pissed off, started making phone calls and left without talking to anyone. So the player was benched to avoid any resulting conflict and the game resumed on , and a week later the coaches are told by FHSAA that the kid is banned from playing and practicing with the team and is banned from playing FHSAA sports for the next 12 months (he is a senior). Then, the school administration decides to fire the coaching staff saying "The player's actions are a reflection of the coaches' attitude" without even investigating what happened. The next day the kid gets expelled after the referee makes threats to file a lawsuit for battery and assault. So basically the coaches got canned and the kid is expelled from SCHOOL, not just volleyball, for an accidental incident based on one referee's word. A lawsuit has not even been filed yet and there has not been any investigation to decide that the player did it on purpose, and yet the school went ahead and kicked its staff and student to the curb.
As a Westminster alumni and 4 years of playing volleyball with Westminster, I am furious about this. Kevin Carr has been head coach for 3 years now and saved the program from being cut by the school. He has been involved with volleyball in Dade county for many years working with both boys and girls teams at Westminster and Miami Elite Volleyball Club. He along with assistant coach Steve Norton have been banned from Westminster facilities, which has forced Kevin and Steve to lose their jobs coaching their Miami Elite girls club team as well. These two coaches love their teams and are absolutely loved by their teams.
Even worse, is one of my longtime friends (NAME REMOVED by Dave Crowder) who has been EXPELLED for this incident. The superintendent and principal decided on their own, without input from the Board of Trustees, to expel him because they did not want the risk of being involved in a lawsuit. There was no attempt made to come to his side and defend him, or even give him the benefit of the doubt or let the situation play out and see what the verdict is. (NAME REMOVED by Dave Crowder) has been attending Westminster since the first grade and has been a huge ambassador for Westminster displaying Christian values while also being cool as hell. Ask anyone in the Palmetto or Coral Reef area and I bet you they've heard of him. The school is in an absolute uproar about this and the student body, even faculty, is devastated by this tragedy.
Please show your support for Westminster as they are going through a rough season that just got a lot worse. No one, the coaches or (NAME REMOVED by Dave Crowder), deserve this brash punishment from the school.
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Post by if on Apr 9, 2011 23:07:00 GMT -4
if he was just trying to swipe of the block and what you say is true.. i think thats really unfair and no person can make sure that someone did something on purpose its just unfair sorry to hear all this bro i really feel for the coaches and even the kid.. expulsion is a little extreme, players get so pumped and so intense during games, this board filled with vball should know that, that i could def see that happening and he just missed the block and hit the lady i feel for you guys
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Post by Wrong on Apr 10, 2011 0:08:42 GMT -4
Sorry phil but I think your mistaken. You are the man but I don't think your buddy deserves any respect anymore. This is what I understand talking to the coral reef coaches, the ref that showed up late, and the Westminster kids:
There was a big uproar about a call n the very next play Jimmy totally turns direction to face the ref n breaks her nose. They have footage turned into the state how blatant n obvious it was. He then had an opportunity to apologize after n all he said was sorry, very unapologeticcally, n then she told the kid how disrespectful his apology was n she threatened to sue n his response was whatever. Not I'm so sorry please don't do that I didn't mean to hit you are you ok, none of that, just whatever.
I do disagree with the coaches being fired. I heard Westminster did that to cover their as so the school wouldn't get fired.
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Post by David Crowder on Apr 10, 2011 0:37:28 GMT -4
Hey guys, I have removed any reference to the player's name in this thread. I do not think it serves any purpose to mention his name directly.
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Post by Pancakes n' butter on Apr 10, 2011 4:20:25 GMT -4
Sorry phil but I think your mistaken. You are the man but I don't think your buddy deserves any respect anymore. This is what I understand talking to the coral reef coaches, the ref that showed up late, and the Westminster kids: There was a big uproar about a call n the very next play Jimmy totally turns direction to face the ref n breaks her nose. They have footage turned into the state how blatant n obvious it was. He then had an opportunity to apologize after n all he said was sorry, very unapologeticcally, n then she told the kid how disrespectful his apology was n she threatened to sue n his response was whatever. Not I'm so sorry please don't do that I didn't mean to hit you are you ok, none of that, just whatever. I do disagree with the coaches being fired. I heard Westminster did that to cover their as so the school wouldn't get fired. I will admit, I was not there to witness this and it is hard to defend him when it makes for a better story for people to say he did it on purpose, but I am relaying the story that I was told by many sources. From what I understand the referee was very uncooperative and did not communicate the situation very well. (The player) very may well have done it on purpose, but my issue is that it has not been proven and no verdict has been decided on whether it was intentional or not. However the school has decided to wash their hands clean of the issue and neglect one of their best students. But how do you prove that he did it on purpose? The defensive statement was that the set was pushed way outside past the antenna and he tried to tool it off the blockers' hands. Maybe he made a mistake, for once in his life. He let his emotions get the best of him. I don't know, neither do you or anyone else until the film is released. But what I know is that he wishes more than anything in the world he had gone cross on that hit lol, regardless of whether he meant to swing in her direction or get the tool. All this backlash is unnecessary for such a good kid. Suspend him from volleyball forever, but don't take away his education for an ill-advised decision. Dont take away the school he has grown up with for 12 years, with only a month left before he's done with high school forever. Atleast not until he's proven guilty.
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Post by cflballer on Apr 10, 2011 8:36:30 GMT -4
The kid is gone from volleyball if the video proves he did swing at her but regardless of that outcome it looks like the kid and the coaches have lawsuits to file. The school administration acted irresponsibly in the actions they took.
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Post by Video on Apr 10, 2011 9:12:00 GMT -4
The kid is gone from volleyball if the video proves he did swing at her but regardless of that outcome it looks like the kid and the coaches have lawsuits to file. The school administration acted irresponsibly in the actions they took. I think the Coaches should have not been fired because they can't control what a kid does or his actions, The kid seemed to have done it knowing what he was doing according to the video that was showed to review the situation, for those of you that do not know Coral Reef has several cameras set up through out the gym and two of them had really good views on the incident, I am sorry to turn and try to swipe the block terrible excuse becuase to turn the way he did its very obvious on his intentions, now his coach to be fired I do not agree!
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Post by Former CP Boys Coach 0107 on Apr 11, 2011 12:42:03 GMT -4
I have watched this kid, practice and play for the last 3 years. I know there was a series of events that led up to the incident. This kid has never once got "outside the court for an approach", he always stays inside the court. The 8th grade setter is just that, he is all over the place with his sets. He pushed the ball way outside and the OH went after the ball trying to tool the block. It is almost like running a route in football(running in 1 direction and then cutting back to catch the ball). He didn't know that he even hit her when he landed. It sucks that she got hit, but she is part of the game. How many coaches have been hit in practice, games. I remember a game back when a Southridge player who was on a different court hit the old Southwest Boys Coach(Marta) in her face with his serve. Her glasses went flying in to the court.
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Post by cflballer on Apr 11, 2011 15:09:08 GMT -4
So where's the video? We all want to see it!
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Post by Oh Wow on Apr 11, 2011 16:53:21 GMT -4
I have watched this kid, practice and play for the last 3 years. I know there was a series of events that led up to the incident. This kid has never once got "outside the court for an approach", he always stays inside the court. The 8th grade setter is just that, he is all over the place with his sets. He pushed the ball way outside and the OH went after the ball trying to tool the block. It is almost like running a route in football(running in 1 direction and then cutting back to catch the ball). He didn't know that he even hit her when he landed. It sucks that she got hit, but she is part of the game. How many coaches have been hit in practice, games. I remember a game back when a Southridge player who was on a different court hit the old Southwest Boys Coach(Marta) in her face with his serve. Her glasses went flying in to the court. Oh please, like he did not do it on purpose, it was clear he did, and that setter is not that bad so cry us a river, he did what he did... You want the video contact coral reef senior high!
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Post by guest50 on Apr 12, 2011 0:32:28 GMT -4
We asked for the video but they said nope because of the pending lawsuit. For sure that 8th grade setter set the perfect ball and of course in the course of jumping and turning and landing the young man decided to turn and blast the ref in the face because thats what he did and I am sure the guy that passed the ball was in on it too. Maybe the WCS administration sent this play in from thier office. They were quick to cover it up rt? Maybe the young mans parents were in on it too and the coaches? Yeah, it all sounds very possible? Maybe it was an accident that happened in a split second? Anyway you see it, it sure fouled up alot of peoples lives. The ripples effect in full swing.
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Post by guess what on Apr 12, 2011 1:32:34 GMT -4
I wonder if all his teachers should be fired as well? I mean they did teach him there for 12yrs. And the administration knew he was there, were they waiting for him to mess up? isnt that neglect? They should be fired too? The AD has seen him play, he had to know he was a loose cannon? The athletic trainer kept him healthy, thats aiding and abedding rt? They need to rt thier wrong and stand by thier employees, God never quit on his children! Not that are even close to that status!
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Post by Former CP Boys Coach 0107 on Apr 12, 2011 8:47:13 GMT -4
@ OH WOW, we all know he did it. No one is denying that fact. Out of 14 attempts he had 6 kills, 8 errors. The kid is a powerful hitter but not very accurate.
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Post by no accident on Apr 12, 2011 10:33:48 GMT -4
just seems to me that this "accident" happened at a very curious point and time. right after a "bad call" when everyone on the Westminster side goes off on the ref. the very next play he "accidentally" hits her square in the nose.
then he has the opportunity to give a heart felt apology and the only word he says is sorry after he breaks her nose and gives her two black eyes. i think if it was by accident he woulda felt really bad and let the ref know how bad he felt. doesnt sound to me like he was attempting to tool the block. seems to me like he meant to do it. and apparently there is video proof how obvious he made it look.
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Post by Have been on Apr 12, 2011 11:17:01 GMT -4
just seems to me that this "accident" happened at a very curious point and time. right after a "bad call" when everyone on the Westminster side goes off on the ref. the very next play he "accidentally" hits her square in the nose. then he has the opportunity to give a heart felt apology and the only word he says is sorry after he breaks her nose and gives her two black eyes. i think if it was by accident he woulda felt really bad and let the ref know how bad he felt. doesnt sound to me like he was attempting to tool the block. seems to me like he meant to do it. and apparently there is video proof how obvious he made it look. If he had anger problems prior then why didn't he go to anger management? Maybe the coaches did play a factor? I have been around volleyball long enough to know that this was no accident, Kids talk about doing something like this all the time lets all be honest, we hear strories of people saying "one more bad call I am gonna purposely run into the ref stand" Have I ever seen someone actually intentionally hit the ref no but do I doubt that someone would do it nooo way, The person above can't put it any other way, and what he said did happen, One bad call and the team went off on the ref, maybe the ref should have given the bench a yellow card but what happen still could have happen, Westminster I am sorry it was obvious what he did, In volleyball to hit the ref on an outside set you have to go out of the way left handed or right handed even with the set all the way outside the antenna its almost impossible to hit the ref unless you turn the way he did, and by turn I mean facing the ref, I don't doubt Coral Reef would lie about something like that, if its one School that follows the rules they do there Athletic Director and Principal are by the book..
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