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Post by vball fan on May 30, 2008 12:25:56 GMT -4
So...
Obviously some of the top teams didnt make it to states like bishop moore, Palmetto, Killian, and obviously Gibbons was down there best hitter and passer...and some teams that were lucky bc of an easy road to states went that shouldnt have gone...but after all is said and done...
what did everyone think about the level of play around...is it still one sided is it panning out?? there was a lot of talk about this being orlando's year...but olympia was pretty much two kids (two really disgusting ones) and that as a team they werent as strong as others...what did everyone think about southwest??
I mean down south, Southwest lost to palmetto but beat Killian twice, and Killian beat Palmetto twice, and Palmetto won GMACs...they all lost to eachother or beat eachother...
Bishop Moore surprisingly lost to Apopka I would have liked to see them over like Cooper City in states. Obviously the system we have for states doesnt allow for all the BEST teams to go and compete for a state championship but I wanna hear what ppl thought about the level...I think it was pretty even this year.
props to Diaz the coach from SW he had two returning starters and won states...thats sick as hell...
Lets see how all the hollering all year about whos better ends... I mean, the state championship was decided in a 5th set by like 3 or 4 points...thats pretty close.
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Post by me on May 30, 2008 13:55:57 GMT -4
To be fair to orlando though, lyman was one of the top teams in the state that coulda been at the state tourney too. If the state tourney went by best teams in the state I think these would have been the 8 to go to states (top 8 teams in FHSAA in 2008)
in no particular order:
Southwest
Killian
Palmetto
Olympia
Lyman
Spanish River
Cardinal Gibbons
St Thomas
with Columbus Jupiter Timber Creek and Bishop Moore being top contenders
(if BM was at full strength at the end of the season with their setter who got injured they would definately crack the top 8, but loosing to apopka and apopka loosing to lake mary (who wasnt impressive at all) BM is not in the top 8
what do you guys think the top 8 teams in the state were?
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Post by swplayer on May 30, 2008 14:12:08 GMT -4
I think you guys are just jealous haters and excuse makers. Boo hoo we were down our best player. boo hoo they were not impressive. boo hoo hoo hoo my life sucks because the world didn't know how good we were and didnt just mail us an invitation to state...
Oh better yet WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST SKIP PLAYING STATE AND MAIL YOU THE CHAMPIONSHIP...
Get over it. If you are one of the best teams then you beat the competition in front of you. How can you rag on a team by saying "they only had 2 players" and then cry about how your team lost your best player and then you didn't advance.
Suck failure freak!!!
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Post by doesnt shock me on May 30, 2008 15:30:46 GMT -4
just like a sw player to have no class. everyone knows you are the best in the state right now and you have to go and look stupid. shut up and go get your freaking ring and let other ppl smack talk
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Post by guest 101 on May 30, 2008 20:48:34 GMT -4
hey who ever that is talkin there fr sw better shut up because i know u know better than that then to be talkin nd bragin coach diaz taught u way better than that nd iknow mexico is not gonna appreciate wut u r doin to the team so stop talkin on this website cuzz thats not wut we do
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Post by to the sw dumsht on May 30, 2008 21:45:45 GMT -4
ok, mr. retarded southwest player. i dont understand why you couldnt just chill at the tournament. the right side from olympia roofed the outside like 5 times until they only ran him from the middle or over the setter, and he still wouldnt shutup. i dont know how they play ball in spanish land but thats not what we do in the united states
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Post by swplayer on May 30, 2008 22:27:37 GMT -4
you guy's just don't get it. I wasn't trashing anybody simply responding to the post and all that post said was that this team was missing this player and that team was missing that player and this team didn't deserve to be there etc...
All I was saying is everyone had challenges and it doesn't matter what challenges you have you still have to play the games and figure out how to win.
sorry for steppin on toes...
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Post by nick on May 30, 2008 23:11:03 GMT -4
Once again. This was not "Orlando's year". South Florida has way more teams then CFL does. But the talent level across the top 10 teams in the state is even and always has been. Because SoFla gets 6 teams to states and CFL gets 2, the notion that SoFla is better comes up but it is false. If the top 5 SoFla teams were bracketed against the top 5 CFL teams each year in a tournament, you would see that the all-around talent for CFL teams is the same if not better. SoFla gets away with 2 good teams a year. This year I would say Southwest and Gibbons were the top 2. Last year it was CP and River. After those two, there is a drop off.
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Post by me on May 31, 2008 21:16:03 GMT -4
sorry nick but you are wrong! if you want to say that central florida has a higher percentage of good teams you would probably be right. cause we all know that districts 5-8 only have 1 or two competative teams. even in dade and broward there are alot of varsity programs out there that have no idea what they are doing (which is why there is a higher percentage of good teams in central florida and you guys are more competative between your teams).
but to say that the top 5 cfl teams would be on the same level or better than the top 5 sofla teams is way out of line buddy! like i said earlier... if you want to compare, it is more fair to compare by county cause then you might have a case to make.
since you spoke about this year and last year, lets reflect... who were your top teams this year? olympia, lyman, bishop moore, timber creek, lake mary, winter springs, apopka, and university?
sofla had southwest, gibbons, st thomas, spanish river, killian, palmetto, jupiter, columbus
the south definately wins out this year and if you have any doubts than you didnt see enough south ball this year or you just need it to be explained to you
last year you had dr phillips, lake mary, winter springs, bishop moore, boone, timber creek
the south had spanish river, killian, coral park, sunset, and southwest
if you recall i believe sunset won one of your orlando tourneys, cp went to the finals in the bm tourney i think n lost to lm but then beat lm at states, sw took out dp in west palm, killian was the only team to take a set at states from spanish river, and oh yea, spanish river went undefeated that year in fl
id have to say the south owned you last year!
all want is you to stop saying cfl is better than sofla, we keep proving it to you each year! you guys are good and have good competative teams and i give cfl props to all the south guys i talk to, but stop saying your better cause your not! especially if you divide it the way you are. stop crying that you only get two spots at states... dade and broward only get two spots each so you arent the only ones that have good teams that dont get to show their stuff at states
orlando gets 1/4 of the teams at states
they only have 1/6 of the state titles
central florida- 1 state title
south florida- 5 state titles
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Post by cougar on May 31, 2008 21:35:02 GMT -4
well when you say south florida your combining three areas into 1 man...really browards sends two teams, miami sends two, palm beach sends two and orlando sends two...this year it was 2 broward teams, 2 miami teams, 1 palm beach team and 3 orlando teams...were three counties but central florida region definitely has as many if not more schools than each of the other regions...so if anything central florida had more of a chance to bring it home...they had 3 teams there...
but anyways thats not what this is about...ppl asked what the top 8 were...and this is IMO the top 8 in order...
1. Southwest
2. Gibbons (Pre Nick Williams)
3. Olympia
4. Lyman
5. Killian
6. Bishop Moore
7 and 8 are up for debate between river, palmetto and st thomas...i think it would go in that order but thats just me...7 being river, 8 being palmetto 9 being st thomas...
oh and about last year south florida "getting away" with two good teams...i believe it was killian who took a set from river and no one else did from florida...and I believe it was Killian that made the final four...just pointing that out
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Post by cfl on May 31, 2008 22:02:55 GMT -4
so cougar lets break this down a little further. when you say cfl sent three they actually sent 2 and since you want to break south florida into counties lets do the same for orlando there was 1 team from seminole and 1 from orange counties...
so the odds were in south florida's corner right?
Regardless congrats to the champs and lets keep ALL of Florida vball going strong...
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Post by cougar on May 31, 2008 22:12:54 GMT -4
yeah your right guy i realized that after i sent my comment in, i thought apopka had gone to state too....totally forgot about jupiter...my bad...but besides that whole part about 3 teams, the rest i stand by
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Post by my thought on Jun 1, 2008 1:43:24 GMT -4
i dont get why BM is so far down when they should of beat gibbons with they best hitter hurt. they took 1st 2 and lost the last 3 in close games. and spanish river killian and palmetto are not better then alot of central florida teams. d**n apopka or lake mary could beat those 3 teams. and if you say apopka didnt do good at the spring sting go ahead but that was without 2 main hitters. and if you want to do the pre nick thing for gibbons then you should do that for timbercreek. i played them with peter and that teams was solid and were a threat everywhere. i guess they learned alot from that olympia game during their first game because they improved quick, and olympia also set ian every ball so olympia was at their best and almost lost. but oh well. season is over. congrats southwest.
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Post by Another thought on Jun 1, 2008 11:08:46 GMT -4
i dont get why BM is so far down when they should of beat gibbons with they best hitter hurt. they took 1st 2 and lost the last 3 in close games. and spanish river killian and palmetto are not better then alot of central florida teams. d**n apopka or lake mary could beat those 3 teams. and if you say apopka didnt do good at the spring sting go ahead but that was without 2 main hitters. and if you want to do the pre nick thing for gibbons then you should do that for timbercreek. i played them with peter and that teams was solid and were a threat everywhere. i guess they learned alot from that olympia game during their first game because they improved quick, and olympia also set ian every ball so olympia was at their best and almost lost. but oh well. season is over. congrats southwest. Why should BM be higher? They should not be in the top 10. Apopka beat them, Lyman beat them and didn't Olympia beat them? This year BM just rode on their reputation. They have some good players but they didn't always play that good as a team and didn't seem to be in good condition during the longer matches. |
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Post by tralala on Jun 1, 2008 12:28:02 GMT -4
i dont get what your sayin kid, bishop moore lost to gibbons without nick williams?? or they lost to him with him??...and shoulda coulda woulda...but they didnt beat em...
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